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PTP264 - Dr. Melanie Joy
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In this episode of The Plant Trainers Podcast, we talk to Dr. Melanie Joy about improving relationships and the theory behind Beyond Carnism. Food is something very personal to us. We have been taught the ideology of food just like religion. Dr. Joy helps us unpack why we are so connected to the food we eat and the pets we live with. What we think you will be most interested to hear about is how we can maintain our good relationships or even improve our tarnished relationships around the area of food. As a psychologist and relationship specialist, she has unlocked the important aspects of talking to your partner about becoming plant-based or vegan. And how to keep things happy in a “mixed” relationship, and how not to get divorced! 

Dr. Melanie Joy is a Harvard-educated psychologist, international speaker, organizational consultant, trainer, and relationship coach. She is the author of the award-winning book Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows: An Introduction to Carnism, as well as  Strategic Action for Animals and the award-winning book Beyond Beliefs: A Guide to Improving Relationships and Communication for Vegans, Vegetarians, and Meat Eaters.

Dr. Joy has developed and implemented vegan advocacy training for more than a decade, and she specializes in effective communication, organizational leadership, the psychology of social change, interpersonal relationships, and preventing and treating burnout. She has trained vegan advocates and given her acclaimed carnism presentation on six continents and her work has been featured in major media outlets around the world.

Dr. Joy is the eighth recipient of the Ahimsa Award – previously given to the Dalai Lama and Nelson Mandela – for her work on global nonviolence. She also received the Empty Cages Prize – previously given to Tom Regan – for her contribution to furthering the cause of animal rights. As well as the Peter Singer Prize for strategies to reduce the suffering of animals. The video of her recent  TEDx talk on carnism is in the top 1% of the most-viewed TEDx talks of all time. Dr. Joy is also the founding president of the charitable organization, Beyond Carnism, a co-founder of ProVeg International, and the co-director of the Center for Effective Vegan Advocacy (CEVA).


In this episode we discuss:

  • Beyond Carnism
  • Carnism is a belief system
  • Defense mechanism
  • Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs and Wear Cows
  • Reconnecting with animals
  • Crowding out the animal products
  • Beyond Belief
  • Communication and the process
  • Not getting divorced!
  • Talking to your partner
  • Mixed relationships
  • Respect and influence
  • When the carnivore attacks
  • Actionable tips for strengthening veganism


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Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows: An Introduction to Carnism by Dr. Melanie Joy

Beyond Beliefs: A Guide to Improving Relationships and Communication for Vegans, Vegetarians, and Meat Eaters by Dr. Melanie Joy

Strategic Action for Animals by Dr. Melanie Joy

Food Is the Solution: What to Eat to Save the World with Matthew Prescott – PTP250


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2 thoughts on “Beyond Carnism and Improving Relationships with Dr. Melanie Joy – PTP264”
  1. Avatar Ed Aycock

    What an informative podcast in a non-threatening and “inviting” format. Your “inclusive” nature is in harmony with nearly every article I’ve either read, watched, or listened to on the subject.

    I’m 58 and have been eating the Standard American Diet all my life, but with the recent discovery of something as simple as the benefits of whole flax seed, I see the monumental impact food can have when viewed as “fuel” (aka medicine) rather than simply to satisfy hunger.

    The tenor of the whole food plant-based lifestyle resonates with me more now than ever before.

    Thank you for the time and resources you devote to informing the world of the benefits of a life of eating food that are full of energy and promote life!

    • Avatar Adam Chaim

      Hi Ed,
      Really appreciate you sharing your feedback! It truly is amazing how food is medicine.
      Lots more info still to come!

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